Comments on: Cellerman? http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/ Jay R. Brooks on Beer Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:15:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://beerzine.com/?v=3.3.1 By: Philil http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/comment-page-1/#comment-485 Philil Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:22:12 +0000 http://www.brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/#comment-485 Beermaster? Beermaster?

]]> By: Captain Hops http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/comment-page-1/#comment-484 Captain Hops Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:43:38 +0000 http://www.brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/#comment-484 This discussion has inspired the haiku of the day at <a>Beer Haiku Daily</a>. This discussion has inspired the haiku of the day at Beer Haiku Daily.

]]> By: Ainz http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/comment-page-1/#comment-483 Ainz Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:21:33 +0000 http://www.brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/#comment-483 Ale Consumption Engineer (ACE)? Ale Consumption Engineer (ACE)?

]]> By: MikeMcG http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/comment-page-1/#comment-482 MikeMcG Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:19:12 +0000 http://www.brookstonbeerbulletin.com/cellerman/#comment-482 If "sommelier" is the wrong word because it refers specifically to something other than a "beer expert advisor", I'm confused as to how "cellarman" is any better? To me, this refers to a different job again, that of a (hopefully) skilled worker who manages the stocking, quality & dispense of the beer in a pub; rather than someone at a fairly up-scale restaurant who advises diners on beer & food pairing. (I'm yet to be convinced how many restaurants really need this role, though - when a well-written beer-list & switched-on management & waiting/barstaff could do the job just as well?). I found it odd too that in Don's piece he refers to the role of cellarman in the UK in the past tense! Over 5,000 pubs in the UK were voted into the 2007 CAMRA GoodBeerGuide, plus a load more that still sell real ale! (now it may be that most have a publican / landlord/lady / manager who doubles as the cellar staff, but that's still a vital part of their job). All that said I agree that sommelier isn't the right word (despite there being a few French-speaking Belgians that do make decent beer!) it just sounds distancing, snobbish, etc, all things that beer, no matter how complex or revered should IMO never be. A question - do the Belgies have a term (Flemish or French) for this role? If “sommelier” is the wrong word because it refers specifically to something other than a “beer expert advisor”, I’m confused as to how “cellarman” is any better?

To me, this refers to a different job again, that of a (hopefully) skilled worker who manages the stocking, quality & dispense of the beer in a pub; rather than someone at a fairly up-scale restaurant who advises diners on beer & food pairing. (I’m yet to be convinced how many restaurants really need this role, though – when a well-written beer-list & switched-on management & waiting/barstaff could do the job just as well?).

I found it odd too that in Don’s piece he refers to the role of cellarman in the UK in the past tense! Over 5,000 pubs in the UK were voted into the 2007 CAMRA GoodBeerGuide, plus a load more that still sell real ale! (now it may be that most have a publican / landlord/lady / manager who doubles as the cellar staff, but that’s still a vital part of their job).

All that said I agree that sommelier isn’t the right word (despite there being a few French-speaking Belgians that do make decent beer!) it just sounds distancing, snobbish, etc, all things that beer, no matter how complex or revered should IMO never be.

A question – do the Belgies have a term (Flemish or French) for this role?

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