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	<description>Jay R. Brooks on Beer</description>
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		<title>By: Hair of the Dog Dave</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/criminal-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Hair of the Dog Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it criminalizes parents for making choices that fall outside the agenda set by neo-prohibitionists and other conservative interests that want to control every aspect of society with their own set of moral values.&quot;

Jay, you are 100% on the money.  I read this story in the news and it made me sick.  The son is dropping out of school and got a job at UPS so he can have a new home for his mom when she gets out of jail.  He even asked the judge to throw him in jail instead of his mom.

Besides, when kids go away to college, it is always the repressed ones whose parents never let them drink that get fall-down drunk all the time.  Parents need to teach their kids how to drink responsibly, and not take this prohibitionist, not-a-single-drop-of-liquor stance.

On a lighter note, I like the idea for a learner&#039;s permit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it criminalizes parents for making choices that fall outside the agenda set by neo-prohibitionists and other conservative interests that want to control every aspect of society with their own set of moral values.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay, you are 100% on the money.  I read this story in the news and it made me sick.  The son is dropping out of school and got a job at UPS so he can have a new home for his mom when she gets out of jail.  He even asked the judge to throw him in jail instead of his mom.</p>
<p>Besides, when kids go away to college, it is always the repressed ones whose parents never let them drink that get fall-down drunk all the time.  Parents need to teach their kids how to drink responsibly, and not take this prohibitionist, not-a-single-drop-of-liquor stance.</p>
<p>On a lighter note, I like the idea for a learner&#8217;s permit.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, J.  What&#039;s happening to this country?  When I was a Senior in high school, I got up the nerve to ask my Mom to buy my friends and I a six-pack of beer.  One six pack.  She did it, with the understanding that we were to drink it at our house, and my friends had to spend the night.  She brought back a six-pack of 1812 Malt Liquor.  One can each got us lit up, and the rest sat in the fridge for a month or two.

My Mom was a hero that night, and no one got hurt.  I&#039;ve always appreciated that she did that for me, and it didn&#039;t make her a bad parent.  If anything, it strengthened our relationship.  She knew she could trust me, and I felt that she knew how responsible I was.

If they wanted to slap this woman on the wrist, that&#039;s fine.  But to make her do hard time - that&#039;s just insane.  What about her kids?  What&#039;s life for them going to be like without their mother for 2 years?  And imagine the guilt they&#039;re feeling over all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, J.  What&#8217;s happening to this country?  When I was a Senior in high school, I got up the nerve to ask my Mom to buy my friends and I a six-pack of beer.  One six pack.  She did it, with the understanding that we were to drink it at our house, and my friends had to spend the night.  She brought back a six-pack of 1812 Malt Liquor.  One can each got us lit up, and the rest sat in the fridge for a month or two.</p>
<p>My Mom was a hero that night, and no one got hurt.  I&#8217;ve always appreciated that she did that for me, and it didn&#8217;t make her a bad parent.  If anything, it strengthened our relationship.  She knew she could trust me, and I felt that she knew how responsible I was.</p>
<p>If they wanted to slap this woman on the wrist, that&#8217;s fine.  But to make her do hard time &#8211; that&#8217;s just insane.  What about her kids?  What&#8217;s life for them going to be like without their mother for 2 years?  And imagine the guilt they&#8217;re feeling over all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great writeup Jay. But this exposure regarding underage education about drinking should be taken more into the mainstream, don&#039;t you think? Maybe pen an article about this subject for an upcoming BeerAdvocate.com magazine issue? I don&#039;t subscribe to Celebrator or All About Beer so excuse me if this subject has been covered before in writing. Even still...it should be repeated over and over and over...

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great writeup Jay. But this exposure regarding underage education about drinking should be taken more into the mainstream, don&#8217;t you think? Maybe pen an article about this subject for an upcoming BeerAdvocate.com magazine issue? I don&#8217;t subscribe to Celebrator or All About Beer so excuse me if this subject has been covered before in writing. Even still&#8230;it should be repeated over and over and over&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hair, you&#039;re right that giving the other kids beer was a stupid thing to do in today&#039;s society. There&#039;s no doubt that it was a poor decision, to say the least. I tried to be &quot;crystal clear&quot; in saying so, and even used those exact words. We don&#039;t know how each of the other kids&#039; parents felt. It&#039;s the state that prosecutes criminal cases, even if the parents didn&#039;t want them to. I think punishments generally should fit the crime, the amount of harm or even potential harm should have something to do with the sentencing process and that just doesn&#039;t seem to be the case here. That&#039;s the only reason I used the Hilton analogy, because the two seem disproportionally reciprocal, by which I mean Hilton should have gotten more time and these parents less. How much, and/or should they have received jail sentences at all, seems an open question. There may have been minimum sentencing guidelines attached to the statute they were charged under, but I don&#039;t know what those were, of course, because it wasn&#039;t reported.

If a friend of my child&#039;s parent gave my son something I didn&#039;t want them to have — it would depend what, of course — I would still most likely not try to have them jailed over it but would instead try to resolve it as amicably as I could. But apart from poison or something that could permanently damage them (like, as you suggest, cigarettes), what would I not want them to have? I hope I will act as my parents did in such situations, which is that they got to know the parents of the friends I was spending the most time with so they felt comfortable with where I was spending my time.

To me, saying &quot;the law is the law&quot; is a bit of a copout. The law is what we as a society decides it should be. Strict liability, federal minimum sentencing guidelines and three strikes laws have all be shown to have major problems that lead to grave injustices. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of laws on the books right now that are reprehensible or absurd which we rightly ignore and which the authorities no longer prosecute. But they&#039;re still technically the law. I think looking at the law in a rigid black and white view is as bad for a society as having no laws at all. But then I think compassion is one of the things that makes us human, and not everyone agrees with that. C&#039;est la vie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hair, you&#8217;re right that giving the other kids beer was a stupid thing to do in today&#8217;s society. There&#8217;s no doubt that it was a poor decision, to say the least. I tried to be &#8220;crystal clear&#8221; in saying so, and even used those exact words. We don&#8217;t know how each of the other kids&#8217; parents felt. It&#8217;s the state that prosecutes criminal cases, even if the parents didn&#8217;t want them to. I think punishments generally should fit the crime, the amount of harm or even potential harm should have something to do with the sentencing process and that just doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case here. That&#8217;s the only reason I used the Hilton analogy, because the two seem disproportionally reciprocal, by which I mean Hilton should have gotten more time and these parents less. How much, and/or should they have received jail sentences at all, seems an open question. There may have been minimum sentencing guidelines attached to the statute they were charged under, but I don&#8217;t know what those were, of course, because it wasn&#8217;t reported.</p>
<p>If a friend of my child&#8217;s parent gave my son something I didn&#8217;t want them to have — it would depend what, of course — I would still most likely not try to have them jailed over it but would instead try to resolve it as amicably as I could. But apart from poison or something that could permanently damage them (like, as you suggest, cigarettes), what would I not want them to have? I hope I will act as my parents did in such situations, which is that they got to know the parents of the friends I was spending the most time with so they felt comfortable with where I was spending my time.</p>
<p>To me, saying &#8220;the law is the law&#8221; is a bit of a copout. The law is what we as a society decides it should be. Strict liability, federal minimum sentencing guidelines and three strikes laws have all be shown to have major problems that lead to grave injustices. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of laws on the books right now that are reprehensible or absurd which we rightly ignore and which the authorities no longer prosecute. But they&#8217;re still technically the law. I think looking at the law in a rigid black and white view is as bad for a society as having no laws at all. But then I think compassion is one of the things that makes us human, and not everyone agrees with that. C&#8217;est la vie.</p>
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		<title>By: Hair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that parents should be allowed to give their kids alcohol if they see fit. No parent should go to jail for giving their kid a taste of beer. But these parents gave *other* kids alcohol. They gave beer to kids that were not their own. Giving alcohol to a minor is against the law. I do not really see the problem here. Yeah, Paris Hilton should go to jail for a very long time, but that does not mean these parents should not go to jail. 4 years seems harsh to me. If that is the max they should definitly be given the min, but the law is the law.

You think you should be allowed to raise your child, not the government, right? Well how would you feel if another parent gave your kid something you did not want them to have? What gave these parents the right to raise other parent&#039;s kids without permission?

And believe me, I am very pro-beer anti-controlling-government. But other parents should not be allowed to give my kids a substance that, for their age, is illegal. *I* do not care if another parent gives my kids beer, but some parents might. They have that right. And I would care if another parent gave my kids cigerettes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that parents should be allowed to give their kids alcohol if they see fit. No parent should go to jail for giving their kid a taste of beer. But these parents gave *other* kids alcohol. They gave beer to kids that were not their own. Giving alcohol to a minor is against the law. I do not really see the problem here. Yeah, Paris Hilton should go to jail for a very long time, but that does not mean these parents should not go to jail. 4 years seems harsh to me. If that is the max they should definitly be given the min, but the law is the law.</p>
<p>You think you should be allowed to raise your child, not the government, right? Well how would you feel if another parent gave your kid something you did not want them to have? What gave these parents the right to raise other parent&#8217;s kids without permission?</p>
<p>And believe me, I am very pro-beer anti-controlling-government. But other parents should not be allowed to give my kids a substance that, for their age, is illegal. *I* do not care if another parent gives my kids beer, but some parents might. They have that right. And I would care if another parent gave my kids cigerettes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad, but not surprising (particularly for Virginia). Another brilliant write-up and analysis, Jay. Thanks for sharing what might not be the most popular opinion; I couldn&#039;t agree with you more and it strikes me as terribly sad that a family was destroyed because of a couple had some common sense.

Why is this country so afraid of nuance and intelligent thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad, but not surprising (particularly for Virginia). Another brilliant write-up and analysis, Jay. Thanks for sharing what might not be the most popular opinion; I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more and it strikes me as terribly sad that a family was destroyed because of a couple had some common sense.</p>
<p>Why is this country so afraid of nuance and intelligent thought?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Tobin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Tobin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BINGO!  I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  Parents teaching responsibility.  This seems to be a foreign idea today.  This is a very similar situation to when I grew up (I graduated HS in &#039;76).  We seem to have this desire today to legislate everything so we don&#039;t have to take responsibility for anything that happens.  I hate to think that I could be charged with a crime for teaching my kids responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BINGO!  I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  Parents teaching responsibility.  This seems to be a foreign idea today.  This is a very similar situation to when I grew up (I graduated HS in &#8217;76).  We seem to have this desire today to legislate everything so we don&#8217;t have to take responsibility for anything that happens.  I hate to think that I could be charged with a crime for teaching my kids responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  That is well said, articulate and a reflection of much of what I experienced as a child and what I believe today regarding underage drinking.  My mom was a nurse too and had, what sounds like, the same rules your mother had.  I can honestly say I never drove drunk in high school, and when my friends came over to my house for a party, they didn&#039;t either.  And you&#039;re right - if my mom had &#039;laid the law down&#039; with me, I would have found a way to drink, most likely in an irresponsible manner.  Thanks for sharing - Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  That is well said, articulate and a reflection of much of what I experienced as a child and what I believe today regarding underage drinking.  My mom was a nurse too and had, what sounds like, the same rules your mother had.  I can honestly say I never drove drunk in high school, and when my friends came over to my house for a party, they didn&#8217;t either.  And you&#8217;re right &#8211; if my mom had &#8216;laid the law down&#8217; with me, I would have found a way to drink, most likely in an irresponsible manner.  Thanks for sharing &#8211; Rick</p>
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