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	<description>Jay R. Brooks on Beer</description>
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		<title>By: Stonch</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/meeting-the-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. The dictionary definitions are total red herrings, then, being vague and non-specific to the industry and time were are writing about. I&#039;ll leave it at that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. The dictionary definitions are total red herrings, then, being vague and non-specific to the industry and time were are writing about. I&#8217;ll leave it at that!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/meeting-the-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the dictionary I was using is published by the Brewers Association, our trade association for all the small breweries (under 2 million barrels annually), and is the most recent edition. That doesn&#039;t necessarily make it correct, of course, but I just wanted you to know I wasn&#039;t using some fly-by-night brewing dictionary. I&#039;m about as anal-retentive as they come, and I&#039;m not sure why this is such a big deal. In the context of usage, this post was not in any way technical and as a colloquial definition, a keg is essentially anything that holds beer, usually on the smaller side. Distinguishing whether or not it&#039;s a cask or a keg adds what to the story, exactly? My &quot;Encyclopedia of Beer,&quot; edited by Christine Rhodes, including contributions by a number of people I know personally such as Stan Hieronymus, Fred Eckhardt and others, defines a keg as &quot;a draught beer container usually made of stainless steel&quot; and a cask as &quot;a stainless steel, aluminum, or wooden container used for holding naturally conditioned, unfiltered beer.&quot;

But maybe we need an English dictionary to give us a satisfactory definition. My compact OED defines a keg simply as &quot;a small barrel&quot; and &quot;cask&quot; as &quot;a large barrel for storing alcoholic drinks.&quot; My full Oxford English Dictionary says a &quot;keg&quot; is &quot;a small barrel or cask, usually of less than 10 gallons&quot; and dates its first usage to 1632. For &quot;cask,&quot; of the five sub-definitions, only the first is really relevant for our purposes (and it&#039;s sense is said to appear only in England and its origin unclear). There are also two other separate casks listed, one a verb and the other an obsolete usage meaning &quot;to crack&quot; or &quot;break in pieces&quot; (and of Spanish origin). So definition #1 is &quot;the general term for a wooden vessel of a cylindrical form, usually bulging in the middle, and of greater length than breadth, formed of curved staves bound together by hoops, with flat ends or &#039;heads&#039;; a barrel.&quot; It was first used around 1525.

On the less credible side, Wiktionary calls a &quot;keg&quot; &quot;a round wooden container that has a flat top and bottom, often used to store beer&quot; and a &quot;cask&quot; is &quot;a large barrel for the storage of liquid, especially of alcoholic drinks.&quot; Webster, on the other hand, says a &quot;keg&quot; is &quot;a small cask or barrel having a capacity of 30 gallons or less&quot; and a &quot;cask&quot; is   &quot;a barrel-shaped vessel of staves, headings, and hoops usually for liquids.&quot;

I accept that technically it&#039;s most likely a cask, but I also have to conclude that in the ordinary sense a keg is just a small barrel and a cask a larger one. In simply writing out captions, quickly and in one take without giving it a great deal of thought, the container on the table looked relatively small to me so I referred to it as a keg, and I think in the context that&#039;s acceptable, at least it is to me. It would, of course, be easier to just change it, since it doesn&#039;t really matter to me all that much, but now that I&#039;ve invested all this energy in looking into this, I think I&#039;ll just leave it be for no good reason. But thanks, this has been fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the dictionary I was using is published by the Brewers Association, our trade association for all the small breweries (under 2 million barrels annually), and is the most recent edition. That doesn&#8217;t necessarily make it correct, of course, but I just wanted you to know I wasn&#8217;t using some fly-by-night brewing dictionary. I&#8217;m about as anal-retentive as they come, and I&#8217;m not sure why this is such a big deal. In the context of usage, this post was not in any way technical and as a colloquial definition, a keg is essentially anything that holds beer, usually on the smaller side. Distinguishing whether or not it&#8217;s a cask or a keg adds what to the story, exactly? My &#8220;Encyclopedia of Beer,&#8221; edited by Christine Rhodes, including contributions by a number of people I know personally such as Stan Hieronymus, Fred Eckhardt and others, defines a keg as &#8220;a draught beer container usually made of stainless steel&#8221; and a cask as &#8220;a stainless steel, aluminum, or wooden container used for holding naturally conditioned, unfiltered beer.&#8221;</p>
<p>But maybe we need an English dictionary to give us a satisfactory definition. My compact OED defines a keg simply as &#8220;a small barrel&#8221; and &#8220;cask&#8221; as &#8220;a large barrel for storing alcoholic drinks.&#8221; My full Oxford English Dictionary says a &#8220;keg&#8221; is &#8220;a small barrel or cask, usually of less than 10 gallons&#8221; and dates its first usage to 1632. For &#8220;cask,&#8221; of the five sub-definitions, only the first is really relevant for our purposes (and it&#8217;s sense is said to appear only in England and its origin unclear). There are also two other separate casks listed, one a verb and the other an obsolete usage meaning &#8220;to crack&#8221; or &#8220;break in pieces&#8221; (and of Spanish origin). So definition #1 is &#8220;the general term for a wooden vessel of a cylindrical form, usually bulging in the middle, and of greater length than breadth, formed of curved staves bound together by hoops, with flat ends or &#8216;heads&#8217;; a barrel.&#8221; It was first used around 1525.</p>
<p>On the less credible side, Wiktionary calls a &#8220;keg&#8221; &#8220;a round wooden container that has a flat top and bottom, often used to store beer&#8221; and a &#8220;cask&#8221; is &#8220;a large barrel for the storage of liquid, especially of alcoholic drinks.&#8221; Webster, on the other hand, says a &#8220;keg&#8221; is &#8220;a small cask or barrel having a capacity of 30 gallons or less&#8221; and a &#8220;cask&#8221; is   &#8220;a barrel-shaped vessel of staves, headings, and hoops usually for liquids.&#8221;</p>
<p>I accept that technically it&#8217;s most likely a cask, but I also have to conclude that in the ordinary sense a keg is just a small barrel and a cask a larger one. In simply writing out captions, quickly and in one take without giving it a great deal of thought, the container on the table looked relatively small to me so I referred to it as a keg, and I think in the context that&#8217;s acceptable, at least it is to me. It would, of course, be easier to just change it, since it doesn&#8217;t really matter to me all that much, but now that I&#8217;ve invested all this energy in looking into this, I think I&#8217;ll just leave it be for no good reason. But thanks, this has been fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonch</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/meeting-the-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-1525</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J, I don&#039;t wish to be a pedant but this is fairly fundamental stuff. Unless my eyes or the photograph deceive, that&#039;s an ale cask. It&#039;s got a spile hole on the side and a keystone at the fore for the tap to be driven in. The shape is also a big giveaway - kegs are usually cylindrical.

In modern usage, certainly, a keg is not ordinarily considered to be a type of cask, or vice versa. Moreover, by far the *most common* type of keg in use (in Britain and I think across Europe) holds 11 gallons or 88 pints (pub cellars are full of them), so that brewing dictionary is very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, I don&#8217;t wish to be a pedant but this is fairly fundamental stuff. Unless my eyes or the photograph deceive, that&#8217;s an ale cask. It&#8217;s got a spile hole on the side and a keystone at the fore for the tap to be driven in. The shape is also a big giveaway &#8211; kegs are usually cylindrical.</p>
<p>In modern usage, certainly, a keg is not ordinarily considered to be a type of cask, or vice versa. Moreover, by far the *most common* type of keg in use (in Britain and I think across Europe) holds 11 gallons or 88 pints (pub cellars are full of them), so that brewing dictionary is very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the brewing dictionary, then, it appears two hogsheads makes one buttload.

Good revisiting our trip to &quot;America&#039;s best beer-drinking city!&quot; Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the brewing dictionary, then, it appears two hogsheads makes one buttload.</p>
<p>Good revisiting our trip to &#8220;America&#8217;s best beer-drinking city!&#8221; Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/meeting-the-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, although less common than in your part of the world, I believe the meaning is the same.

Actually, my &lt;em&gt;Dictionary of Beer &amp; Brewing&lt;/em&gt; defines a &quot;keg&quot; as &quot;a small cask usually with a capacity of 10 gallons or less.&quot; It sure looks like a keg to me. The same dictionary defines a &quot;cask&quot; as &quot;a barrel-shaped container for holding beer. It was originally made of iron-hooped wooden staves, but is now more commonly fond in stainless steel and aluminum. In England, casks are made in seven sizes: butt (108 gallons), puncheon (72 gal.), hogshead (54 gal.), barrel (36 gal.), kilderkin (18 gal.), firkin (9 gal.) and pin (4.5 gal.).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, although less common than in your part of the world, I believe the meaning is the same.</p>
<p>Actually, my <em>Dictionary of Beer &#038; Brewing</em> defines a &#8220;keg&#8221; as &#8220;a small cask usually with a capacity of 10 gallons or less.&#8221; It sure looks like a keg to me. The same dictionary defines a &#8220;cask&#8221; as &#8220;a barrel-shaped container for holding beer. It was originally made of iron-hooped wooden staves, but is now more commonly fond in stainless steel and aluminum. In England, casks are made in seven sizes: butt (108 gallons), puncheon (72 gal.), hogshead (54 gal.), barrel (36 gal.), kilderkin (18 gal.), firkin (9 gal.) and pin (4.5 gal.).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stonch</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/meeting-the-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. isn&#039;t that a cask not a keg?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. isn&#8217;t that a cask not a keg?</p>
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		<title>By: Stonch</title>
		<link>http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/meeting-the-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming the word &quot;nutter&quot; doesn&#039;t have the same meaning in the United States of America - if it does I can&#039;t believe that guy got elected!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m assuming the word &#8220;nutter&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have the same meaning in the United States of America &#8211; if it does I can&#8217;t believe that guy got elected!</p>
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